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jacquelyn sauriol's avatar

I could never take shelter in any religion; every one of them would have burned me at the stake or worse for being who I am, herbalist, bisexual, secular, at some point in history. Most recently, the churches encouraged folks to get jabbed up, so they are all in on the culling, in their hushhush way.

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Stegiel's avatar

I see only companionship of believers in religion. A spiritual club. I am metaphysically a rebel and truck with no priestcraft or rigid dogmatics. I do though easily accept in a different sense of spirit, my Kalifornicated view of spirit. l like God-Manhood. I like Tat Tvam Asi. I agree we belong, we are not alien to this life, we live and are Divine but not much more than saying yes, we all know water is wet!

A little learning is a dangerous thing;

Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring:

There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,

And drinking largely sobers us again.

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Funny too that as I age I lean deeper into Wordsworth and his sensibility.

The world is too much with us; late and soon,

Getting and spending, we lay waste our powers;—

Little we see in Nature that is ours;

We have given our hearts away, a sordid boon!

This Sea that bares her bosom to the moon;

The winds that will be howling at all hours,

And are up-gathered now like sleeping flowers;

For this, for everything, we are out of tune;

It moves us not. Great God! I’d rather be

A Pagan suckled in a creed outworn;

So might I, standing on this pleasant lea,

Have glimpses that would make me less forlorn;

Have sight of Proteus rising from the sea;

Or hear old Triton blow his wreathèd horn.

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Tarn - mutual eye-rolling's avatar

Very good post.

That it's a modern myth that life is valued.

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Stegiel's avatar

This low casualty rate is censored casualties in Israel. I am unsure about Iran

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Tarn - mutual eye-rolling's avatar

https://youtu.be/ASUeEhYLscg?si=RfH1u72p-gM1srUB

Here is a discussion about some Israelis wanting to bring it on as part of redemption and a Messiah will then come.

That some want Israel to be destroyed.

Interesting point that you make Stegiel that a lot of destruction but not many deaths to date.

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Richard Seager's avatar

Some were saying that the Tel Aviv suburbs that took most of the bombing were slated for rebuild before this war.....

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Stegiel's avatar

Probably. Both Maui and LA had redevelopment plans. The war is USA inspired but Israel gets the lion share of blame. Will Cyprus become Israel once that state collapses or will significant parts of the Ukraine instead?

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Richard Seager's avatar

Good questions. As you know I figure that Israel is the modern representation of Ancient Greece but the imaginary fascist Sparta rather than the nominally democratic Athens (or Corinth or Argos).

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Richard Seager's avatar

And I should note for those browsing that Argos was a competitor to Athens and was rubbed out of history due to its slowness in supporting Athens in a war with Persia. Sparta was dreamed up later, and is homoerotic fiction. Watch out Washington.

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Tarn - mutual eye-rolling's avatar

Richard you will have to write a convincing Substack on this.

Just saying it is not convincing.

On another matter, I saw a Substacker show WEFFER website pages showing Iranian top officials as WEFFERS.

So the ultimate conspiracy theory is that a a certain level of the pyramid and above, everyone is happy with a bit of depop by wars and a bit of money making from bomb production and rebuilding.

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Tarn - mutual eye-rolling's avatar

In what way do mean that Cyprus could become Israel?

I can't see any support for a Jewish state anyway after all this carry on.

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Stegiel's avatar

Israel parks Jewish planes and Jewish refugees in Cyprus.

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Tarn - mutual eye-rolling's avatar

Hence the low casualty rate?

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Ernie Boxall's avatar

I write for clarity, not for kudos. The destruction of the Republic came about because the so called, *intellectuals sat in basements banging out lies and propaganda that stupid *college educated* fools swallowed, and ended up with ruined careers and crushed legs.

Before Bibby took this action it was clear that the obama White House would have let Israel drown in blood "from the river to the sea".

The Third World War was the brainchild of obama and NATO, fortunately a stronger man came along and has isolated the combatents so that the stronger side wins...as has happened throughout history.

As for Zionists, as a very small percentage of not just the world, but also the Middle East, what great fighters they are... And remember, they are protecting Arabs in Israel as well.

The other nations? They are divided by people like you, emotionally overwrought about conflict. Thank all the gods you were not around in 1943-45, those heroes were the blueprint for PRESIDENT TRUMP and Hegseth’s fighting force. They won the war IN SPITE of physical, moral, spiritual and economic exhaustion. The Israeli people will win this war in the same manner.

Forget Albert Pike. I'll paraphrase General Patton, kill the other poor bastard before he kills you.

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Stegiel's avatar

Israel is a war state and Zionism worse than National Socialism. Had the thought of a few smart Jews been accepted the no state would have triumphed. Israel without US money and military aid would not be a battering ram for Colonialism. This was a war planned years in advance. I think it was a mistake.

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Ernie Boxall's avatar

A majority of countries are war countries and Israel is no different. Modern history shows your mistake is that having refuse to accept the fact that Israel is home to Jews, Arabs, Christians, Muslims and non-believers. And they're able to protect them all because they are Proud Zionists. Israel is trusted because all of these communities understand, and reject the “two state solution”.

Israel, without US money would be destroyed by Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Egypt. The Middle East would be the same shithole as African and South America multiplied. Israel is the buffer, the balance that is saving the lives of multi-millions of people.

Israel with American money is the Hub that keep the spokes of the Middle East wheel turning, not buckling.

I hope it's a war planned in advance that's what Israel normally does and that's why it's survived. That's why Arab countries want to trade with Israel and does what they can to keep the Iranians in check and the Gazans out of their borders.

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Stegiel's avatar

No. Zionism is not Judaism. Zionism is an anomination. Persia under the Shah is more liberal than Israel. The USA more liberal. Arguably Jews have it far better here than Israeli ghetto.

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Ernie Boxall's avatar

You'll have to explain what anomination means, unless you mean abomination. Persia under the Shah got on very well with Israel. In fact most Arabs get on very well with Israelis...only fundamental Islamists and American Nazis have a problem with them.

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Stegiel's avatar

Hardly the case. Judaism fine yes all over the world. Zionists no. They are worse than the Nazi. Thanks for seeing the typo. There are many Jewish writings before 21st century on the distinction between secular Zionism and the multifaceted religous Judaism. Some before “Israel” and others after. Babylonian borders and Greater Israel border are quite similar

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Stegiel's avatar

I am ok with the end of Zionist colonization. I favor demilitarization. No state solution. No ethnic state armed to the teeth provoking war. https://www.kitklarenberg.com/p/conspiracy-theory-now-fact-greater

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Ernie Boxall's avatar

We agree at last. As a man who has known how close Israel came to being destroyed I'm also OK with a demilitarised zone. A Hamas free Gaza, with beautiful hotels, restaurants, clean streets, happy people, and people working… WAIT that was Gaza on October 5th 2023.

I too believe in a “no state” I definitely dismiss a “two state solution”. Israel is a country. Gaza? Israel doesn't want it. Egypt doesn't want it. Iran won't be able to use it anymore… Wow, I guess Gazans have a choice.

And the end of the ethnic Iran armed to the teeth provoking war. I'm so glad I've convinced you to join me. Peace brother.

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Ernie Boxall's avatar

An overly long piece, based, I assume, to give an appearance of education. A piece of work teaming in conjecture and clouded in sentences, and quotes put together for your own satisfaction.

Let's boil it down, with the knowledge that I was in Israel two days after the Yom Kippur War broke out, and so I know what defeat for Israel would look like.

You call him "Netty", hoping, no doubt, for some young, by now, propagandised, young graduate to praise your knowledge of historic BS.

I call him Bibby because, to a lesser extent, I've walked in his shoes. Bibi is as important to Israel and the Middle East now as Golda Meir was in 1973.

And for every Christian out there, Israel, and Bibby in particular, won't have enough lifetimes out there to match the murders and genocides this bloke God was supposed to have committed. I thank all of my Gods that I've never had the other one in my life, and so have never needed to worry about what happens when my body dies, and my spirit laughs and drinks with my ancestors, waits to enter another suitcase and comes back to live the sort of life I've lived.

And back to Bibby, America and war...I predict that soon Persian men and women will be dancing in the streets, laughing in cafes, driving to the beach and enjoying the arts.

In the meantime, you will continue to produce tomes on Substack for those unemployed graduates and retired armchair philosophers to while away time as Israel's fighters, and America's technologists restore the peace between Persia and Israel that existed before the Mullahs were put in place and fed by clinton and obama.

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Stegiel's avatar

You write short. I write as I feel like writin’. Israel can drown in rivers of blood. This is pure Zionism. "The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the Illuminati between the political Zionists and the leaders of the Islamic world. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam and political Zionism mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile, the other nations, once more divided in this issue, will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion." Hah Albert Pike rings true.

https://www.kitklarenberg.com/p/conspiracy-theory-now-fact-greater

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