I think transhumanism is quite comparable to nuclear fusion.....it will always be a carrot dangled 5 or 10 or 30 years before it is achieved. That dangling carrot, it works so well....no wonder it's so popular!
In both cases the science limits results. Science in the right head I believe shall in a few more years demonstrate the ability to have viable chimera species-and will extend to mammals. Dolly, after all, was cloned. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XheAMrS8Q1c
Cloning was known in 1999 to cause issues to animal health. Deaf ears, I suppose, but I would not do that to animals, if only because the long term health of the herd is more important. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1115633/pdf/1230b.pdf
My rejoinder is you think and feel like a human. Humans in the livery of King Gargantua are paid not to be thinking and feeling like humans. Elon Musk I do doubt thinks and feels like a human, and I shall use him strictly as image of our most modern "blonde beast" Technocratic Man. TM knows life was short once and now is becoming so again. TM knows cloning has many benefits for Space Exploration and Development. And organs to harvest etc. A clone is not human, not animal really but likely categorized as a lab invention. So Iain McGilchrist discusses how the Left Hemisphere (Gargantua in my words) usurps the Master though only Emissary. McGilchrist argues that the relationship between the hemispheres is asymmetrical. Although they are both essential to human functioning, the RH is the sphere that engages with the world of experience beyond the mind and provides the source of all meaning. Whilst the LH often has an essential role in brain processing, the processing usually follows a pattern of right-left-right (stimulus – explicit processing – contextualisation. For this reason McGilchrist claims that the RH has “ontological supremacy”.
McGilchrist also points out that our judgements and our willed actions are shown by scientific observation to occur intuitively before we develop any conscious cognitive processes to explain them. Gestures also unconsciously precede associated speech. Our LH ‘reasons’ appear to be rationalisations for judgements that have already been made by the RH and put into action by the body. This again suggests to him the primacy of the RH. The RH is also claimed to have primacy because it is the co-ordinator and adjudicator between the hemispheres. It can produce a dialectical synthesis between the processing of LH and RH, where the LH only engages in competitive opposition.
However, despite the “ontological supremacy” of the RH, McGilchrist also acknowledges that the LH has the edge in terms of power. It is better able to suppress the RH than the RH can suppress it, so the LH dominates in cases of conflict. The LH is also likely to gain more control because it develops systems of representation of the world that determine consistency of action over a period, whereas the RH just responds to experience. LH dominance is constantly reinforced by the dominance of language in our conscious experience.
The LH can also become increasingly dominant because it can enter a spiral of positive feedback. Whatever it does creates a represented world and a set of rules for that world, and if that world is not disrupted by major new difficulties, it can continue to be reinforced indefinitely by its own preference for positive feedback. The RH, on the other hand, is more likely to respond to negative feedback, so that if it is becoming too dominant and we are less effective as a result, it will be brought back more into balance with the LH more readily than the LH will.
Science right now is striding onwards to understand more about the complexity of life. From Michael Levin's lab at Tufts.
Embodied Minds: understanding diverse intelligence in evolved, designed, and hybrid complex systems
Each of us took the remarkable journey from matter to mind. Once we were quiescent egg cells; slowly, gradually, we became human beings capable of advanced metacognition. Our group studies the processes by which intelligence, in myriad conventional and unconventional embodiments, operates in the physical world. We combine developmental biophysics, computer science, and behavioral science to understand how cognition scales up: from the metabolic and physiological competencies of single cells, through the organ-building and repair capabilities of cellular collectives, to the classical behavioral repertoires of whole organisms and swarms. While looking for scale-invariant principles, current work focuses on interrogating non-neural cognition, in particular on the emergence of proto-cognition in cell collectives at both evolutionary and developmental timescales.
We work at the intersection of developmental biology, artificial life, bioengineering, synthetic morphology, and cognitive science. Seeking general principles of life-as-it-can-be, we use a wide range of natural animal models and also create novel synthetic and chimeric life forms. Our goal is to develop generative conceptual frameworks that help us detect, understand, predict, and communicate with truly diverse intelligences, including cells, tissues, organs, synthetic living constructs, robots, and software-based AIs.
Our main model system is morphogenesis: the ability of multicellular bodies to self-assemble, repair, and improvise novel solutions to anatomical goals. We ask questions about the mechanisms required to achieve robust, multiscale, adaptive order in vivo, and about the algorithms sufficient to reproduce this capacity in other substrates. One of our unique specialties is the study of developmental bioelectricity: ways in which all cells connect in somatic electrical networks that store, process, and act on information to control large-scale body structure. Our lab creates and employs tools to read and edit the bioelectric code that guides the proto-cognitive computations of the body, much as neuroscientists are learning to read and write the mental content of the brain.
Ahhh Lets see President Donald J. Trump POTUS from 2016-2020 and Installed Fake President Joseph R. Biden/Obama from 2020-2024 who has proven to be the better POTUS? That is a no brainer! President Trump has already proven what he can do and has done! I feel like I just had gotten over the worst flu for the past four years after November 5, 2024!
Silly. Political Dialectics. Mr. Warp Speed denounces no vaccine and wins. The evil twin and Democratic party fool loses or wins depending on your opinion of the Deep State. Trump Anti-Hero hero guilty only for obedience and demanding haste to save mankind from an illusion. Biden anti-hero for ordering injections ands other madness. Deep State prospers. Trump is illusion. Biden illusion. Both serve the same SOMEBODY and it may be the Devil or it may be the Lord but serve they do and I do doubt it is Sweet Jesus.
I think you fail to recognize the change of national mood and its significance resulting from the conclusive Trump victory.
You are right to note the fact that all rulers are constrained by the existence of other power concentrations in the Republic but neither the attempted assassinations nor the election were faked. This cynicism goes too far and contradicts obvious facts. Why not allow yourself to embrace the extraordinary?
As to the sickness of transhumanism, it is a laughable farce in my opinion. The entirely false presumed parallel between computers and the human brain are a complete dead end. We understand nothing about the brain or intelligence. Organisms without brains show surprising intelligence and humans with very little brain demsonstrate unexplainable capabilities. The hubris of the technological elite knows no bounds, and as you note, its complete lack of humility is its achilles heel.
Finally, let me make a plea for Gurjieff's teaching that man is a three-centered being in which thinking, sensing and feeling function. Feeling, which is not derived from either the brain or the body's nervous system, has no references in transhumanism. This alone makes transhumanism a lesser condition which might better be labeled dehumanism or nonhumanism. Although the current condition for most of us may be largely mechanical in it behavior, our potential far exceeds the highest reaches of the imagination and the ambitions of the transhumanists.
No political solution under our form of polity is feasible. To change the form of polity appears too risky as Federal power is quite dominant. Restoring the Articles of Confederation impossible. Our money fraud. Our government is fraud. Our elections and candidates for election are fraud. Our legal system fraud. Our military fraud mostly save for a handful of trained, equipped, "combat ready" troops. We rely on planes and bombs and "credible" threats pretending I guess this is an H.G. Wells scenario "Wings Over the World." No Trump is the new front man, rehired as DEI can't sell, too early, after Trump it will sell. Presuming a number of things which very well may not arise such as Trump living to be President. Or Trump denied the Presidency. Both options on table to advance the power elite's great game.
Slow and steady. Money first. Control second. See what happens next-how fast death comes, injuries, who groks and why, who does and still supports the System and why
I think transhumanism is quite comparable to nuclear fusion.....it will always be a carrot dangled 5 or 10 or 30 years before it is achieved. That dangling carrot, it works so well....no wonder it's so popular!
In both cases the science limits results. Science in the right head I believe shall in a few more years demonstrate the ability to have viable chimera species-and will extend to mammals. Dolly, after all, was cloned. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XheAMrS8Q1c
Cloning was known in 1999 to cause issues to animal health. Deaf ears, I suppose, but I would not do that to animals, if only because the long term health of the herd is more important. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1115633/pdf/1230b.pdf
My rejoinder is you think and feel like a human. Humans in the livery of King Gargantua are paid not to be thinking and feeling like humans. Elon Musk I do doubt thinks and feels like a human, and I shall use him strictly as image of our most modern "blonde beast" Technocratic Man. TM knows life was short once and now is becoming so again. TM knows cloning has many benefits for Space Exploration and Development. And organs to harvest etc. A clone is not human, not animal really but likely categorized as a lab invention. So Iain McGilchrist discusses how the Left Hemisphere (Gargantua in my words) usurps the Master though only Emissary. McGilchrist argues that the relationship between the hemispheres is asymmetrical. Although they are both essential to human functioning, the RH is the sphere that engages with the world of experience beyond the mind and provides the source of all meaning. Whilst the LH often has an essential role in brain processing, the processing usually follows a pattern of right-left-right (stimulus – explicit processing – contextualisation. For this reason McGilchrist claims that the RH has “ontological supremacy”.
McGilchrist also points out that our judgements and our willed actions are shown by scientific observation to occur intuitively before we develop any conscious cognitive processes to explain them. Gestures also unconsciously precede associated speech. Our LH ‘reasons’ appear to be rationalisations for judgements that have already been made by the RH and put into action by the body. This again suggests to him the primacy of the RH. The RH is also claimed to have primacy because it is the co-ordinator and adjudicator between the hemispheres. It can produce a dialectical synthesis between the processing of LH and RH, where the LH only engages in competitive opposition.
However, despite the “ontological supremacy” of the RH, McGilchrist also acknowledges that the LH has the edge in terms of power. It is better able to suppress the RH than the RH can suppress it, so the LH dominates in cases of conflict. The LH is also likely to gain more control because it develops systems of representation of the world that determine consistency of action over a period, whereas the RH just responds to experience. LH dominance is constantly reinforced by the dominance of language in our conscious experience.
The LH can also become increasingly dominant because it can enter a spiral of positive feedback. Whatever it does creates a represented world and a set of rules for that world, and if that world is not disrupted by major new difficulties, it can continue to be reinforced indefinitely by its own preference for positive feedback. The RH, on the other hand, is more likely to respond to negative feedback, so that if it is becoming too dominant and we are less effective as a result, it will be brought back more into balance with the LH more readily than the LH will.
Science right now is striding onwards to understand more about the complexity of life. From Michael Levin's lab at Tufts.
Embodied Minds: understanding diverse intelligence in evolved, designed, and hybrid complex systems
Each of us took the remarkable journey from matter to mind. Once we were quiescent egg cells; slowly, gradually, we became human beings capable of advanced metacognition. Our group studies the processes by which intelligence, in myriad conventional and unconventional embodiments, operates in the physical world. We combine developmental biophysics, computer science, and behavioral science to understand how cognition scales up: from the metabolic and physiological competencies of single cells, through the organ-building and repair capabilities of cellular collectives, to the classical behavioral repertoires of whole organisms and swarms. While looking for scale-invariant principles, current work focuses on interrogating non-neural cognition, in particular on the emergence of proto-cognition in cell collectives at both evolutionary and developmental timescales.
We work at the intersection of developmental biology, artificial life, bioengineering, synthetic morphology, and cognitive science. Seeking general principles of life-as-it-can-be, we use a wide range of natural animal models and also create novel synthetic and chimeric life forms. Our goal is to develop generative conceptual frameworks that help us detect, understand, predict, and communicate with truly diverse intelligences, including cells, tissues, organs, synthetic living constructs, robots, and software-based AIs.
Our main model system is morphogenesis: the ability of multicellular bodies to self-assemble, repair, and improvise novel solutions to anatomical goals. We ask questions about the mechanisms required to achieve robust, multiscale, adaptive order in vivo, and about the algorithms sufficient to reproduce this capacity in other substrates. One of our unique specialties is the study of developmental bioelectricity: ways in which all cells connect in somatic electrical networks that store, process, and act on information to control large-scale body structure. Our lab creates and employs tools to read and edit the bioelectric code that guides the proto-cognitive computations of the body, much as neuroscientists are learning to read and write the mental content of the brain.
Let’s see if and when he sets up the Covid accountability commission.
Hah hah hah hah. I Robert Malone presiding.
Ahhh Lets see President Donald J. Trump POTUS from 2016-2020 and Installed Fake President Joseph R. Biden/Obama from 2020-2024 who has proven to be the better POTUS? That is a no brainer! President Trump has already proven what he can do and has done! I feel like I just had gotten over the worst flu for the past four years after November 5, 2024!
Silly. Political Dialectics. Mr. Warp Speed denounces no vaccine and wins. The evil twin and Democratic party fool loses or wins depending on your opinion of the Deep State. Trump Anti-Hero hero guilty only for obedience and demanding haste to save mankind from an illusion. Biden anti-hero for ordering injections ands other madness. Deep State prospers. Trump is illusion. Biden illusion. Both serve the same SOMEBODY and it may be the Devil or it may be the Lord but serve they do and I do doubt it is Sweet Jesus.
I think you fail to recognize the change of national mood and its significance resulting from the conclusive Trump victory.
You are right to note the fact that all rulers are constrained by the existence of other power concentrations in the Republic but neither the attempted assassinations nor the election were faked. This cynicism goes too far and contradicts obvious facts. Why not allow yourself to embrace the extraordinary?
As to the sickness of transhumanism, it is a laughable farce in my opinion. The entirely false presumed parallel between computers and the human brain are a complete dead end. We understand nothing about the brain or intelligence. Organisms without brains show surprising intelligence and humans with very little brain demsonstrate unexplainable capabilities. The hubris of the technological elite knows no bounds, and as you note, its complete lack of humility is its achilles heel.
Finally, let me make a plea for Gurjieff's teaching that man is a three-centered being in which thinking, sensing and feeling function. Feeling, which is not derived from either the brain or the body's nervous system, has no references in transhumanism. This alone makes transhumanism a lesser condition which might better be labeled dehumanism or nonhumanism. Although the current condition for most of us may be largely mechanical in it behavior, our potential far exceeds the highest reaches of the imagination and the ambitions of the transhumanists.
Trust Trump? No. I did not in 2016. I boycott faux elections. https://visupview.blogspot.com/2018/02/goodfellas-dark-tower-and-beyond-part-i.html
No political solution under our form of polity is feasible. To change the form of polity appears too risky as Federal power is quite dominant. Restoring the Articles of Confederation impossible. Our money fraud. Our government is fraud. Our elections and candidates for election are fraud. Our legal system fraud. Our military fraud mostly save for a handful of trained, equipped, "combat ready" troops. We rely on planes and bombs and "credible" threats pretending I guess this is an H.G. Wells scenario "Wings Over the World." No Trump is the new front man, rehired as DEI can't sell, too early, after Trump it will sell. Presuming a number of things which very well may not arise such as Trump living to be President. Or Trump denied the Presidency. Both options on table to advance the power elite's great game.
Yes, the elitist blob will try to prevent Trump assuming the Presidency as a plan b. Suggests Trump is not the new front man.
He won. Nixon in China. https://youtu.be/5Tv3hrZmcEk
Slow and steady. Money first. Control second. See what happens next-how fast death comes, injuries, who groks and why, who does and still supports the System and why