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John Day MD's avatar

I'll argue that there is no "original sin". it is a construct, not a teaching of Jesus. It has contributed to Roman Catholic authority within the hierarchy between man and God, but that is hardly a service.

Knowing one's "Godlike image", Love and Wisdom is the path, not following precepts or doctrine.

That being said, the usurpation of every physical moment of human existence, as "property" of the physical "owners" is antithetical to this knowing of one's essential Divinity, whatever one may choose to call such antithesis...

The "reductio ad absurdum" case is explored here, which you may have previously viewed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkQ58I53mjk

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Stegiel's avatar

Del Noce wrote “either one poses the origin of evil in the very will of man, or one poses it in the injustice… of a social structure, which when removed evil will also be removed. The first argument entails a more precise distinction of religion from politics; in the second thesis, politics replaces religion in the fight against evil. Each man may opt for one or the other, but it is not permitted to mix them together.

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John Day MD's avatar

I don't want to sound like Bill Clinton, but the definition of "evil" is inherently difficult. We all "know it when we see it", but our knowing and seeing are not identical.

I seek divine guidance, when I remember. I remember more than I used to.

It is not "property", not in my back pocket, and not transferrable through speech/writing.

It is accessible through "contemplation".

Gotta' go. I'm in a hurry this morning!

:-o

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Stegiel's avatar

Dr. John, evil is in the eyes of the beholder and subjective.

Berdyaev writes "Freedom of the spirit which itself gives birth to consequences, which creates life, is revealed to us a bottomlessness, baselessness, as a force from out the boundless deep. We cannot feel a base, a foundation for freedom, nowhere can we find some solid element which determines freedom from within. Freedom of the spirit is a bottomless well. Our substantial nature could not be the basis of freedom. On the contrary, all nature is born of freedom. Freedom proceeds not from nature, but from God's idea and from the abyss which preceded being. Freedom is rooted in 'nothingness'. The act of freedom is primordial and completely irrational. "

Hamartia derives from the Greek ἁμαρτία, from ἁμαρτάνειν hamartánein, which means "to miss the mark" or "to err". It is most often associated with Greek tragedy, although it is also used in Christian theology. The term is often said to depict the flaws or defects of a character and portraying these as the reason of a potential downfall.

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John Day MD's avatar

I think we are agreeing.

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Stegiel's avatar

I agree. :)

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Rick Larson's avatar

In Vico the historical course of civilizations within a providential order is that “Men first feel necessity, then look for utility, next attend to comfort, still later amuse themselves with pleasure, thence grow dissolute in luxury, and finally go mad and waste their substance”

The great reset is not what the would-be god thinks.

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KW NORTON's avatar

Yes this encapsulates my findings as someone who sees deep and lasting toxic mentality present in all of our previous civilizations - that we have history of at least. There is always hope we could do better but more evidence we cannot. If we cannot do this it only leads back to one place. Either we overcome the toxic burdens under which we are trapped or we figure another way.

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Rick Larson's avatar

That is why I continually promote keeping gardens, leading to other forms of care, to avoid suffering the noble breakdown in/the collapse.

Seemingly the whole freaking planet is now dependent on these jerks who would (now) pull out the rug.

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Rick Larson's avatar

Haha! I found it under the ideal eternal history: https://iep.utm.edu/vico/#SH3c

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KW NORTON's avatar

Agree the Great Reset is not at all what the WEF/Davos country club set imagines but quite the opposite of what they claim.

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