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KW NORTON's avatar

We are in a multi civilizational collapse. Putting together known economic, political, medical/health, and social forces reveals this. The keys to survival going forward will include importance of noncompliance with the demands of these dying governments and a great deal more. There will be survivors but likely a heck of a genetic bottleneck going forward. Survivors will need one great collection of survival information going forward. At some point the collapse will reach a point of 100% diminishing returns and in the way down in the forces involved in free fall will threaten the survival of the species. At the same time humans have survived profound traumas - civilizational and climatic.

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Rick Larson's avatar

Survival won't work. Should be a design implementation that improves life.

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KW NORTON's avatar

Survival has thus far been all that has worked?

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Rick Larson's avatar

Thinking about how can we live a long healthy life without modern technology?

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KW NORTON's avatar

Absolutely so. Earlier humans did so and we must. This digital veneer and with it the so called techno-human transition represents in most ways a tiny inconsequential worthless conceit when juxtaposed on the history of life on the planet and the human species.

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Rick Larson's avatar

Wordsmith!

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KW NORTON's avatar

Lol, they are only words. The real task as always is in the real work to be done. Hopefully communication of all sorts will be a part of this.

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Rick Larson's avatar

Survival is merely a short term bridge is what I think.

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KW NORTON's avatar

It will not represent any good going forward to get stuck there however. Too much work to be done. Just because we can’t see a way clear doesn’t mean there isn’t a bridge.

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Rick Larson's avatar

There is a bridge and there is a design (I would refer to Permaculture A Designers' Manual but there are others). This is knowable, and those who are dependent on this failing system are those in the most jeopardy of not making it through the coming bottleneck.

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KW NORTON's avatar

For certain. My hope, but not sufficiently an area of expertise, is small groups going forward and acting locally can survive through combinations of permaculture, foraging, hunting and relearning the art of interdependence. Have no better ideas. Civilizations have run amok.

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Rick Larson's avatar

Perhaps those asking deserve it?

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Tarn - mutual eye-rolling's avatar

Is it their fault that they were trusting and brainwashed.

Maybe, maybe not.

They are a certain sort of go along type, but I don't know that they deserve to be actually maimed or genocided.

Being stupid has become a capital offence.

I have not gone along with a lot of stuff in the past, but never as vindicated as now.

Who would have guessed it.

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Rick Larson's avatar

This is a most difficult question. I'm thinking from a biological basis. Natural succession (not selection). Maybe this is a clue all humans are about to die out.

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Tarn - mutual eye-rolling's avatar

Hope there's a joke in there .

Cheers.

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Rick Larson's avatar

Not really, but we can laugh at all the stupid people anyway!

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