The gist is that the world is speeding towards a science fiction hell. Technology dehumanizes and the families supporting dehumanization are Oligarchs. Gates is an example. Opposed to this is Tradition.
I am going to be adding to this post for a few days in comments. At some point I will rewrite. When I do rewrite I will do that which I rarely do and that is not only incorporate the new information I have but frame Italy in a wider context of European politics. One item in Europe standing out is while populations in some nations move more to the right and elected governments which reflect this feeling of revulsion with the Left none of these governments break with the line Russia bad. A piece of information coming to me today which in a way explains a bit more -In Italian Elections NATO’s Weapons Lobby WON with Meloni and Right Party Founded by President of Defence Industries.
Malone writes: There have been many issues raised regarding Georgia Meloni and her Brothers of Italy party since I published this substack earlier today. One concern raised has been that she is a member of the Aspen Institute, which in turn has ties to the WEF, and I have not seen that refuted or examined in any substantial way.
The other is that she was a supporter of the “Green Pass” program.
Regarding the “Green Pass” issue, this video clip demonstrates that this was a position taken by Meloni and the Brothers of Italy party.
Translation as follows:
“… for example, the digital Green Pass- we were the first to support it and we hope it gets adopted as soon as possible in total reciprocity with all European states. This is a priority and it is fundamental to restart, mostly, tourism. I want to salute all medical professionals. As you know ‘Fratelli D’Italia’ (her party) was in favor of the Penal Shield for doctors and anyone administering the vaccine."
(This was the law that removed liability from anyone who gave the covid shot)
I have investigated this issue by contacting medical colleagues in Italy, and what I have been told is that their belief is that Meloni was never a strong supporter of the Green Pass program, deleted any social media posts previously made in support of the Green Pass, and that she ran on a platform that included stopping the Green Pass and any further vaccine mandates.
“most restrictions will be dropped on the 30th, rumor has it there will be a 4th, 5th and 6th dose, but the new executive hasn’t yet settled in so we’re not sure yet. On the other hand, we have the Istituto Superiore di Sanità (equivalent of the FDA) that publishes weekly Covid infection, illness and death reports, separating the numbers by unvaxxed and vaxxed. On average, for every unvaxxed infection there are 7 vaxxed infected people. Likewise with ICU’s. And a one-to-four ratio with Covid deaths. Of course, no one’s noticing this data.”
I also heard significant enthusiasm for Meloni from younger women that I interviewed, who are excited by the prospect of having a woman as a Prime Minister and hope that this will lead to greater awareness of gender disparity in pay (which remains a significant problem in Italy). Among these there was also the opinion that the commitment by Meloni and the Brothers of Italy to halt vaccine mandates and Green Pass played a significant role in her success during this election cycle.
Then there is the issue of abortion. In the US corporate press, there have been comments to the effect that Meloni is anti-abortion. In speaking with Italian colleagues, my understanding is that she opposes late term abortion, but the principal position is that she says she wants to give mothers who want to abort other options like government aid for those women wanting to abort because they’re too poor to afford a child.
What I was also told is that the operational latitude of Italian government is completely constrained by both the US Government/Washington (including a significant role of the US Intelligence community) and the EU government/Brussels. Apparently Italy has no real independence, and is functionally a vassal state of both Washington and Brussels.
None of these positions support the accusation that Meloni is an extreme right wing “Fascist”, which seems to be the trope being advanced globally by corporate media.
Further discussion on the limitations constraining Meloni and the Brothers of Italy or any other future “technocratic” government which might come to replace the one about to be formed can be found here in an UnHerd article titled “Giorgia Meloni is no radical- Italian voters know she won't change anything”. Almost all Italians that I have spoken to today concur with this assessment.
This essay is a good start but needs an edit and more work. It presupposes a lot of familiarity with Hobbes, Schmitt, and Aristotle, not to mention the Italian thinkers you refer to and quote here. Many readers might lack that familiarity. I'm not certain, though, who your readers are or who you intend them to be.
However that may be, in your humble opinion, is this woman a Trojan horse or not? Or will only time tell?
Time. She has a movement. Can the movement be strong enough to move Italy in another direction? I am not sure. The situation politically appears to me complex. Can there be any political faction that is able to break free of the USA? Likely no. Can her faction move Italy gradually away from the EU Marxists? Maybe yes. But only to a degree. She can likely change some of what Draghi has done and has to for her base and on the other hand is integrated into Aspen which is probably a notch above WEF. Since the end of WW2 Italy has been controlled and colonized and I doubt this can be changed by her. And since she is a player in Aspen it is an open question. If though NATO goes down and the EU breaks up then more of the ideas of the political right can come to fruition.. I think she got the nod to replace Draghi as he has done his job and politically can be replaced. Also added to the complexity is she can be hard on illegals coming to Italy and still be pro-NATO.
Holding a line for firmness may not win votes. Having several lines that while not contradictory may not be so firm can. And no one wants to lose on principle.
She is a Trojan Horse. When the world is under such a tight lockdown of sanity and common sense this is the madness which reigns supreme. Fashioning models of the rabbit holes and fighting these agendas with sanity and common sense is the only sane response. Form committees of grandparents who hold kids, families, communities and individuals as the things that matter. This is planetary - we are way beyond nationalism now.
The gist is that the world is speeding towards a science fiction hell. Technology dehumanizes and the families supporting dehumanization are Oligarchs. Gates is an example. Opposed to this is Tradition.
I am going to be adding to this post for a few days in comments. At some point I will rewrite. When I do rewrite I will do that which I rarely do and that is not only incorporate the new information I have but frame Italy in a wider context of European politics. One item in Europe standing out is while populations in some nations move more to the right and elected governments which reflect this feeling of revulsion with the Left none of these governments break with the line Russia bad. A piece of information coming to me today which in a way explains a bit more -In Italian Elections NATO’s Weapons Lobby WON with Meloni and Right Party Founded by President of Defence Industries.
Malone writes: There have been many issues raised regarding Georgia Meloni and her Brothers of Italy party since I published this substack earlier today. One concern raised has been that she is a member of the Aspen Institute, which in turn has ties to the WEF, and I have not seen that refuted or examined in any substantial way.
The other is that she was a supporter of the “Green Pass” program.
Regarding the “Green Pass” issue, this video clip demonstrates that this was a position taken by Meloni and the Brothers of Italy party.
Translation as follows:
“… for example, the digital Green Pass- we were the first to support it and we hope it gets adopted as soon as possible in total reciprocity with all European states. This is a priority and it is fundamental to restart, mostly, tourism. I want to salute all medical professionals. As you know ‘Fratelli D’Italia’ (her party) was in favor of the Penal Shield for doctors and anyone administering the vaccine."
(This was the law that removed liability from anyone who gave the covid shot)
I have investigated this issue by contacting medical colleagues in Italy, and what I have been told is that their belief is that Meloni was never a strong supporter of the Green Pass program, deleted any social media posts previously made in support of the Green Pass, and that she ran on a platform that included stopping the Green Pass and any further vaccine mandates.
“most restrictions will be dropped on the 30th, rumor has it there will be a 4th, 5th and 6th dose, but the new executive hasn’t yet settled in so we’re not sure yet. On the other hand, we have the Istituto Superiore di Sanità (equivalent of the FDA) that publishes weekly Covid infection, illness and death reports, separating the numbers by unvaxxed and vaxxed. On average, for every unvaxxed infection there are 7 vaxxed infected people. Likewise with ICU’s. And a one-to-four ratio with Covid deaths. Of course, no one’s noticing this data.”
I also heard significant enthusiasm for Meloni from younger women that I interviewed, who are excited by the prospect of having a woman as a Prime Minister and hope that this will lead to greater awareness of gender disparity in pay (which remains a significant problem in Italy). Among these there was also the opinion that the commitment by Meloni and the Brothers of Italy to halt vaccine mandates and Green Pass played a significant role in her success during this election cycle.
Then there is the issue of abortion. In the US corporate press, there have been comments to the effect that Meloni is anti-abortion. In speaking with Italian colleagues, my understanding is that she opposes late term abortion, but the principal position is that she says she wants to give mothers who want to abort other options like government aid for those women wanting to abort because they’re too poor to afford a child.
What I was also told is that the operational latitude of Italian government is completely constrained by both the US Government/Washington (including a significant role of the US Intelligence community) and the EU government/Brussels. Apparently Italy has no real independence, and is functionally a vassal state of both Washington and Brussels.
None of these positions support the accusation that Meloni is an extreme right wing “Fascist”, which seems to be the trope being advanced globally by corporate media.
Further discussion on the limitations constraining Meloni and the Brothers of Italy or any other future “technocratic” government which might come to replace the one about to be formed can be found here in an UnHerd article titled “Giorgia Meloni is no radical- Italian voters know she won't change anything”. Almost all Italians that I have spoken to today concur with this assessment.
This essay is a good start but needs an edit and more work. It presupposes a lot of familiarity with Hobbes, Schmitt, and Aristotle, not to mention the Italian thinkers you refer to and quote here. Many readers might lack that familiarity. I'm not certain, though, who your readers are or who you intend them to be.
However that may be, in your humble opinion, is this woman a Trojan horse or not? Or will only time tell?
I agree. I will take some time tomorrow to do so. In the main I type in haste as I think.
Not sure if the revision will be completed tomorrow but the Italian situation is important.
Time. She has a movement. Can the movement be strong enough to move Italy in another direction? I am not sure. The situation politically appears to me complex. Can there be any political faction that is able to break free of the USA? Likely no. Can her faction move Italy gradually away from the EU Marxists? Maybe yes. But only to a degree. She can likely change some of what Draghi has done and has to for her base and on the other hand is integrated into Aspen which is probably a notch above WEF. Since the end of WW2 Italy has been controlled and colonized and I doubt this can be changed by her. And since she is a player in Aspen it is an open question. If though NATO goes down and the EU breaks up then more of the ideas of the political right can come to fruition.. I think she got the nod to replace Draghi as he has done his job and politically can be replaced. Also added to the complexity is she can be hard on illegals coming to Italy and still be pro-NATO.
Yep, it's Marxist Mod for the masses.
Something else entirely for the Cultists.
Politics is becoming like professional wrestling. Each week, the good guys and bad guys exchange places, depending on the demands of the audience.
Holding a line for firmness may not win votes. Having several lines that while not contradictory may not be so firm can. And no one wants to lose on principle.
She is a Trojan Horse. When the world is under such a tight lockdown of sanity and common sense this is the madness which reigns supreme. Fashioning models of the rabbit holes and fighting these agendas with sanity and common sense is the only sane response. Form committees of grandparents who hold kids, families, communities and individuals as the things that matter. This is planetary - we are way beyond nationalism now.