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Tarn - mutual eye-rolling's avatar

That's a great mix of philosophy and jokes that you are sending my way Stegiel.

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Oh I missed the Vice article.

That was good learning about train loads. A train almost two miles long, with heavy wagons at the rear.

Recall Thomas the Tank Engine " 'On, on, on' muttered the trucks."

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Rail accidents like this are actually relatively common in the US, although the consequences are seldom so dramatic.

The Bureau of Transportation Statistics records 54,539 train derailments between 1990 to 2021, an average of 1,704 per year.

While that might sound like a lot, the fatality rate from such incidents is low, averaging just four deaths per year over the same period. https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A//www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/train-derailments-in-2023-how-many-b2283418.html

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Tarn - mutual eye-rolling's avatar

So property prices near train tracks will not be high.

Hardly any trains in NZ.

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Tarn - mutual eye-rolling's avatar

Given the stats you mention, it doesn't look like a deliberate derail so much as a couldn't care derail

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At first blush this fact set I looked into from Integral Accident view did stress the inexorable accident probability as determinitive. However as news accumulates regarding the cargo and train manifest and train safety measures coupled with the Movie White Noise enacting a rail accident and actors from community participate and unique medical bracelets https://www.visiontimes.com/2023/02/18/east-palestine-digital-id-medical-wearables.html and CDC Changed Toxicity Info on Vinyl Chloride Days Before Derailment https://stegiel.substack.com/p/a-pointer-to-a-thread-on-east-palestine/comment/12946029#comment-12952216 and decision to burn played by DOD spreading toxins East with winds and rain point back to other agendas.

However I have not sat down to think about the State as the Integral Accident that like those Matryoshka dolls nests all the others.

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Tarn - mutual eye-rolling's avatar

February is going through the hour glass.

You said that you were going to monetise in February.

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A vulnerability was taken advantage of.

Like watching a train crash.

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From another source I used to work for a state environmental agency, later as an environmental consultant and manager. EPA and the state agencies have been merciless in requiring businesses to chase down low parts per billion of various contaminants.

I was involved with a superfund site where PCBs were present in sediments in an industrial waterway. The businesses that were suspected of contributing to the contamination were forced by EPA to tens hundreds of millions of dollars just to define the area of contamination, then hundreds of millions more to dredge it and dispose of it.

The response in East Palestine is not at all in keeping with typical agency response. They normally require extensive investigations to determine where chemical contamination has gone and then a plan to clean it up and prove that it's clean. A remedial investigation/feasibility study has to be designed by the responsible party and then approved by the agencies, and there are always lots of agencies including Fish and Wildlife, state environmental, Water Resources, etc.

For all of them to just stand down and ignore this is extraordinary.

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The most important thing, of course, now is the people. The disaster is right there on them. That railroad company ought to be there 24/7 doing for and paying for, what ever the folks need to be safe and feel that way, knowing they are going to be "straightened out" will go a long way towards helping . Watch out though, the government and the lawyers and insurance hustlers are descending, looking for ways to save money for the fucking railroad and insurance companies or steal a pile of it.....

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If I,... what?? "posted too hard" on the PVC thing, I apologize. I get mad. You want me to split? Say so if so. No sweat.

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uniplmr1's avatar

yeah. never mind. no thing.

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The railroad graft in the states is documented. https://archive.org/details/railroadmelonsr01russgoog

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